queen bootylicious the pi ([info]joekerstef) wrote,
@ 2008-05-12 13:47:00
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Current mood: annoyed
Entry tags:grr, metro, pix

suck it metro


Took this picture and another essentially identical one on Saturday May 10, 2008, a bit before 2am at the New York Avenue metro station. A woman came out of the station kiosk and asked me what I was taking a picture of, and I told her the turnstiles (on which they had placed these silly little smiley/frowny faces). She told me that I could not take photos in the metro system. To which I said no, that's not true, go look at your website ( FYI www.wmata.com/about/parp_docs/UseRegulations.pdf specifically Section 100.8(2)). This woman insisted that photography in metro was illegal since September 11, 2001, and knowing that she was incorrect, I insisted that she go look at metro's website, which of course she did not do. Instead she called security. After consulting with someone for a bit, she came back and told me again that photography was not allowed in metro and that if I took any more pictures, she'd have my train stopped and I'd be pulled off and my camera confiscated. Whatever. I was with [info]pakgwei at the time and we went upstairs and continued to chat about how completely misinformed this woman was. I never turned my camera off or put it away, and I didn't take any more pix at the station, because even though I knew I was right, I didn't want to push my luck too far with the lady on an apparent power trip.

A few minutes later, the same metro employee comes up another escalator with a security guard. Great, bring it. So the security guard comes over and starts in and I again say that it is absolutely not illegal to take pictures in the metro system, go look at your website. He then asked me if I was calling him a liar, and I said no, but you are misinformed. He goes off about how he's had training yadda yadda but then changes his tune: you can take pix of the platform, and the Amtrak trains over there, and your friend here, but you can't take pix of security cameras and such (not exactly sure how turnstiles fit into that but whatever). Didn't bother to point out that that was not what kiosk lady said, because Pat's train had arrived and mine was about to, but the guy wouldn't let it drop until Pat had missed his train. Neither kiosk lady nor the security guard ever asked to see the photographs I had taken, nor did they ask me to delete them. Um, if it were actually illegal and my photos actually posed some sort of security threat, wouldn't that be the first thing you would do? If I had a brain, I would've taken photos of both the kiosk lady and the security guard so that I could send them to metro and refer these two employees for additional training.

When I did finally get on a train myself, the first thing I did was take pictures of a BEER BOTTLE on the floor of the train. Um, isn't drinking any sort of beverage forbidden by metro? Don't they make actual announcements about that sort of thing? Aren't there signs posted that say no eating or drinking? Shouldn't the security guard maybe be writing some tickets for 12 year olds eating french fries in the train? Has anyone ever made an announcement about taking photos or are there any signs about no photography in the metro? No.

Dear John Catoe and WMATA-

If you don't want me taking photos of your turnstiles, then don't put stupid frowny and smiley faces on them that would make me even think of taking the picture in the first place. Most people are smart enough to understand what the standard red and green designs mean without the little faces to make it abundantly clear. And please get all of your employees up to speed on your photography policy. I haven't heard of anyone getting harassed about it in a while, so I was rather surprised at this woman's ignorance of the policy. I have taken a gazillion photos in metro stations and trains, as have about half of the people in the washington metro area and tons of tourists too, and not once before this incident has anyone ever said boo to me about it.

And I'm still gonna take pictures in the metro, because I can.

Love, Me




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[info]ceosanna
2008-05-12 05:58 pm UTC (link)
Daaaaang.

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[info]papercuppie
2008-05-12 06:02 pm UTC (link)
Metro management is... delightfully free of clues sometimes.

Ash got harassed by one of the track repair crews a few months ago, because he was taking pictures of the trackwork. They sounded their foghorn and told him he couldn't take pictures "because of terrorism."

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See, now I would have probably been hauled away...
[info]american_arcane
2008-05-12 06:19 pm UTC (link)
Because the first thing I would have done is switch from still pics to video and just let that sucker run while they talked.

Then I would have continued to disagree with them, requested their names, identified myself as a journalist and launched into an actual interview.

Assuming I wasn't beaten unconscious at that point, or my equipment destroyed, it all would have gone up on YouTube with links posted, well, everywhere, but especially to discussion groups over at SPJ.org and the Knight Center for Journalism, the Washington Post and the NY Times.

Then again, I've been a bit ornery lately and nothing sticks in my craw like useless "safety" precautions. Except of course the propagation of misinformation that isn't even related to useless safety precautions that further erode our rights.

yeah... I'm probably on a list somewhere...

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Re: See, now I would have probably been hauled away...
[info]joekerstef
2008-05-12 06:26 pm UTC (link)
well, i had my dslr, not my p&s, and the xti doesn't take video. i actually felt kindof dumb for not taking any more photos; i just didn't want to push it too far.

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[info]ravenaiya
2008-05-12 10:35 pm UTC (link)
You seriously need to make a complaint. I've made two recently and both were responded to (albeit not well). That is utterly ridiculous and that's the kind of crap that makes people HATE. THEM. with the seething passion that I already do.

Alternately or simultaneously: You should write to Lena Sun and/or Eric Weiss at the Post and tell them about your experience. This is the kind of crap they try to bring to light. Today's "Roads & Rails" chat:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2008/05/05/DI2008050501778.html

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[info]kittenofwrath
2008-05-12 11:08 pm UTC (link)
I agree with Kim. That's totally ridiculous. How is photographing public property illegal in any way? It's not like you broke into a top secret facility and took pictures of military documents. It's like telling someone they can't photograph the Washington Monument because "a terrorist might see it." wtf....seriously.

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[info]joekerstef
2008-05-13 01:29 am UTC (link)
it's probably more like if i were to take a picture of the nifty new visitors' center at the washington monument because, ya know, the terrorists might get a glimpse of the security features implemented so that they could plan their attack on the monument or something. of course, they could also just go there themselves like every other freakin' tourist and see for themselves. and take their own photos, unmolested. *sigh*

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They don't even have the authority to make rules, at least in Virginia
[info]scoozeme_scooz
2008-05-24 05:27 pm UTC (link)
It turns out that Metro may be bound by their own rules (e.g., Metro UseRegulations § 100.8 (a)(2) which says "hand-held camera by one person is not regulated"), but the answer to your question,

"Um, isn't drinking any sort of beverage forbidden by metro?"

is NO, at least not in Virginia:
http://www.scn.org/~bk269/metro.html

Once across the Virginia line, Metro has no more authority to tell you whether you can have a cup of coffee than I do.

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